Poll! Wich Country do you generally receive spam from??

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caesar
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Post by caesar »

*off topic*

alive : Einstein created a bomb.. wow.. fascinating! tell us more!

As for going *on topic* I agree with puterfixer's and Skello's point.
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alive
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Post by alive »

i`ll let others who know whats that a metaphor to comment upon my statements.
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Irku
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Post by Irku »

I receive a large amount of spam from your country!

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Cautious
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Post by Cautious »

I receoved spam from the following countries: Irak, Iran, China, Japan, Philliphines, Christmas Island(wtf is that :P)
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Melksedek
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Post by Melksedek »

alive wrote: Romania's IQ is too high to have users that are so dumb to click on those stupid links. That's why i think other countries , with more newbies "connected" are the spam sources ... but i`ll keep the names for myself.


I surely contradict you:), ask ZubaZ about the wave of drones that hit us.Every day I visit #vh in search of those that get banned from a usually 400+ people channel, and believe they don't go get cleaned. They dont even bother read the kickban message or they ignore it. Second, it is not wise to use generalizations to make up for the lack of exact data. Everywhere there are dumb persons :) who click the addresses they see, just out of curiosity.

Once the bug spreads, everybody becomes spam source, and in the end only the casualties remain, not knowing exctly the origin of the infection.

Until next time...
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sirAndrew
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Post by sirAndrew »

I wouldn`t call dumb the people who click on infected links. They have no ideea what they are clicking onfor the simple reason that they don`t have many experience on irc or because they use irc fot it`s main purpose, for chat and for fun......

So look in your own yard before you talk about others...i don`t thinkall of us knew what those links really were untill someone told us or we figured out ourselfs after we got infected....
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Razvanet
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Post by Razvanet »

Unfortunatly to say, if not all spam i recive, then at least 98% of it is from Romanian users ! :(
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Eenie
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Post by Eenie »

sirAndrew wrote:
I wouldn`t call dumb the people who click on infected links. They have no ideea what they are clicking onfor the simple reason that they don`t have many experience on irc or because they use irc fot it`s main purpose, for chat and for fun......
I disagree. A responsible user knows the software he is running and does succumb to clicking on just anything a stranger tells him to click on. Most of the problems created by infected sites can be eliminated if people did not use IE. There are many GREAT alternative browsers to use, Mozilla's FireFox is one of them. A responsible Internet user informs himself about the dangers lurking out here and takes the necessary precautions.

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Jay`Z
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Post by Jay`Z »

Eenie wrote:sirAndrew wrote:
I wouldn`t call dumb the people who click on infected links. They have no ideea what they are clicking onfor the simple reason that they don`t have many experience on irc or because they use irc fot it`s main purpose, for chat and for fun......
I disagree. A responsible user knows the software he is running and does succumb to clicking on just anything a stranger tells him to click on. Most of the problems created by infected sites can be eliminated if people did not use IE. There are many GREAT alternative browsers to use, Mozilla's FireFox is one of them. A responsible Internet user informs himself about the dangers lurking out here and takes the necessary precautions.

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:roll: Yeah right that's what a "responsible Internet user " does, but here we`re talking of people that go on internet once a week (month) to read mail and maby chat a bit on IRC, and they mostly do it from Internet Cafe, so why don't you think about how many of these persons know what "spam", "v|rus" "spyware" etc is? and most important Do they give a dam about it? If the people who run the internet cafe's don't ..why should they? ...so I tend to agree to sirAndrew
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Eenie
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Post by Eenie »

Yes, Jay`Z:

And a responsible driver who rents a car once a week for errands learns the laws and the rules of the road before he drives, too. Responsibility does not cease to exist for those who are 'occasional users.'

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Jay`Z
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Post by Jay`Z »

Hehe, yeah so in your opinion If I go to a cafe for 1hour I should spend 90% of my time trying to find solutions for protecting the PC?
That's even more fun if the cafe has Deep Freeze installed..so I have to do that everytime I go there :lol:
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Melksedek
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Post by Melksedek »

Jay,

What you and SirAndrew is also correct (now I sound like the rabi:)). The point is that, even if that person goes in an I-Cafe, besides the responsibility of the administrator to keep his PC's safe, he/she should ask if they see sth unusual. But I also know that out of shame or vanity, they dont, thinking: Wtf, I know this!Why should I call him to embarrass myself!.

Admins job is to make clients aware of the dangers. Otherwise, nobody can blame me for keeping a very large channel +mr if needed, as the ops try to protect the other users. The only problem is the size of the banlist:) that seems not to be enough these days.

Therefore, responsibility is shared.

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Melksedek

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sirAndrew
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Post by sirAndrew »

Well Een let`s say i`m a 14 year-old girl and i go into an Internet Cafe to have some fun online or to talk to a relative outside. Someone comes into my private query and spamms me a link about my favourite pop star.
What do i do?

Don`t compare a driver with an internet user! A driver follow a driving school.....on the internet you don`t have to follow some kind of school to get online! It`s just you and the ketboard.

I tend to agree that romania is the #1 spammer on irc but it is only because of people with no experience what so ever. A driver hasto have experience....you don`t give a driver his licence on the first time he drives a car. That analogy Een is totaly wrong in this case.

About responsability i have to agree with the ones who said that part of the problem in romania are the Internet Cafe Admins which use iexplore and older versions of irc which allow duble clicking on link. But don`t consider the normal folks part of the problem asthey have no ideea what they are clicking on. They just want to see a porn website like any normal teenager with hormons running up and down him, or to see a website about pop stars or others.

Well that`s my point of view....wheream i wrong?
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Post by puterfixer »

(Requirements for reading this: snacks, drinks, comfortable chair, eventually some background music, and 10 minutes of your time. ;) )

You are wrong in assuming that you don't need any knowledge to get online. There are rules here which people should know about, for example you have learned that it's a bad idea to give out personal information online, right? The same goes to engaging in conversations with certain people, or entering some websites, or even typing a command you don't know what might do. There is a limit to what a computer can do for you, from which you have to think for yourself. A "computer driving license" would be more than welcome in this situation, because it certifies that people did learn something about it. It's not like everyone can use a computer without learning how to do things properly, you know. If you put grandma in front of the keyboard, she doesn't know what to do but has the common sense not to try anything without learning first. It doesn't happen with kids, who are not mature enough to know right from wrong and inexperienced enough to trust people when they shouldn't. Especially on Undernet, when you shouldn't trust anyone.

Now, about spam messages being sent in private - IRC cannot filter that, it can't think if it is just a message or an automated message, if it's a legitimate website or a virus-infected website. So, it's up to the people to judge if a message is or isn't "spam". As it doesn't pass through an Internet Service Provider's own servers, like e-mail does, then the ISPs cannot do anything about it. You, as a chatter, can ignore people who spam or set up scripts which ignore private messages unless you specifically allow certain people to message you when they publicly request it. Really, there's no other way.

If you find an infected computer which spams messages, it could be either someone's IRC client being infected without their knowledge (in which case you should tell them to go in #vh or #dmsetup for assistance, and tell the channel ops to ban the person until he/she gets the computer clean), or it could be a "zombie" or "drone" - a computer virus with a simplistic IRC connection, there's no person using it so it doesn't respond to private messages when you try talking to them (in which case you should report it to the channel ops and possibly in #report-abuse , or if the drone is used for flooding or attacking, e-mail its Internet Service Provider). That's about all.

In lots of countries, Internet cafes are a cheap and handy method to get online. But, there is a difference to Romanian Internet cafes: foreign ones run a legitimate business and they try their best to assure the safest Internet connection for people. Those computers are frequently checked against viruses or keyloggers and the like. In Romania, on the other hand, most Internet cafes don't care if the computer is infected with a virus, if your passwords typed there will be stolen (even they could be trying to steal your passwords, you don't have any guarantees for it). I wouldn't type my e-mail and password on a public computer in Romania; it's simply not safe. Not even my Yahoo! e-mail, which is safe to delete and create another. I wouldn't log on to X on IRC either, not even if I could use my own programs to detect keyloggers or spy programs, because the administrator can see anything I do and he doesn't have a problem with being unethical.

However, the average person using the Internet cafe doesn't know all this and is very much surprised when his or her e-mail address gets stolen. He or she doesn't know that clicking on a website address received in private message from an infected nickname will infect his or her computer too, which promotes this chain of spam forever. People's lack of experience and minimum knowledge is the problem: if they knew NOT to click on such links, their computers would not get infected and the spam would slow down. Take my father, for example; he calls me to remind him how to create a folder; him and computers don't mix too well. But, I taught him not to open any e-mail attachments he didn't request or which come from unknown people, and he follows that rule. That's how his computer doesn't get infected with a virus even without running an antivirus program which slows down the computer too much! I scan it manually once a month and there is no virus there for almost 3 years already - just because he learned how not to get infected.

Not long ago, I had the opportunity to send a few messages and questions to Mr. Varujan Pambuccian, the President of Romanian Parliamentary Commission for Information Technology and Communications, one of the points was that public Internet access points such as Internet cafes need to be made mode secure and that people are made responsible for their own actions. Much to my surprise, he replied that the Romanian Police is already doing an excellent job on its own. I knew that the Police has created Internet task force groups with specially trained young policemen, but I couldn't find any information about them in the news. Things are moving in the right direction and faster than you might expect. Another example is that thread about spam bots advertising a program hosted on go.ro website; before I could check it, the administrators of that site already found the program and deleted it.

If you are patient enough, things will change. It takes time for people to slowly learn. It happened to other countries too, Romania isn't the first nor the last one. Malaysia was even G-Lined from Undernet a few years ago, but they learned really fast. Romania is a very large country compared to others, and Internet access is open to very many people; according to national statistics, about 6 million people have Internet access, if I remember correctly. That's a lot of inexperienced users and a lot of computers which can get infected and spam messages on IRC and e-mail. Just give it time and try to help people learn. If you read this message and understood it, try to teach your friends to use the Internet safely; even that counts.

Be good.

RaveBase
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Post by RaveBase »

I am a romanian, and i have coded some worms that others used to infect people on diferent servers. As a coder all i can say to help you be more careful in the future is DO NOT USE mIRC ( this is not an anti-publiciti ) , mIRC client is the true trojan , becose with mIRC you get full access to the computer as to the computer's resources and EVERYTHING. So try another client to be more safe. :)