Art and why it is imprtant in life...

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Art and why it is imprtant in life...

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Art is not just being beautiful in a sense, but as an author says, it must neccesarily be meaningful!
So what exactly is art going on around our life? Why are there some people who fill their life with so much art and why does only a few people recognize its true essense? Is it really important?
Last edited by kokay on Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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ART - human endeavor thought to be aesthetic and have meaning beyond simple description. Includes music, dance, sculpture, painting, drawing, stitchery, weaving, poetry, writing, woodworking, etc. A medium of expression where the individual and culture come together.

and this is

What is important in life?
What is actually important in life?

Money? We have a society (west world anyhow) that is based on consumption. We work very hard to earn more money so we either can buy more stuff or just save it in the bank for a rainy day. Is this REALLY important?

Status? Many persons, me included, want some kind of status. We want to be recognized and not be marginalized."Do not forget me!" Or at least this is something I wanted very badly until very recently. Is this REALLY important?

Legacy? I guess many persons want to create something. To be able to look back when we are getting old and to see that I made a difference. I contributed to something. I was an important building block in society. Is this REALLY important?

Friends? To have somebody to really be able to talk with. Somebody that you can share anything with. Somebody that you can share your most inner secrets with. When you find such people, keep them. Whatever you do, do not let them slip away. Especially if you have a hard time finding them in the first place. Is this REALLY important?

Family? Being alone is never fun. A family is a must, or is it? Can one live alone and still be happy? I have my whole life had someone to life with. When I left my child home I shared an apartment with two other guys for about 5 months before I moved into my own apartment. That only lasted about 2-3 months before I moved in with my wife. So I must admit that I have never really tried out how it is to live by myself. I guess I must see myself as lucky and hope that I never get the chance to try it out. Is this REALLY important?

Children? I have one child, my soon 3 year old daughter Tovah. Getting a child really changed my life. You really feel that somebody is dependent on you and you have to be there. The other day she told me "dad, you write to much." I.e. her notion of me working too much. I have to admit one thing, when she was born I didn't feel like this at all and it took a couple of weeks before the dime fell down. Is this REALLY important?

Love? To have someone to love. To get a fuzzy feeling in the stomach when you see the person. Many great songs and poems have been written about love. Is this REALLY important?

My synthesis is that all boils down to getting a number of base stones for creating a fulfilling life. I guess we get some loop here as it then leads to "what is is important in a fulfilling life?". A good start is to feel like a whole person. Being able to get good contact with other human beings and being able to share your thoughts and feelings. The reader can perhaps get a feeling of me putting a requirement on myself here (the top-dog vs. under-dog discussion again) where I HAVE to do something or the other but the really important thing is to be in the present and not look ahead all the time. It also means being able to get in contact with your anger, sorrow, sexuality and joy. There has to be a balance between these for a person to be able to feel like a whole person.

It is time for a reflection on the process here. A couple of months ago I would not been able to write this or even sort this out in my head. I guess I am improving as a human being and getting closer to becoming a whole person.

Many of the points listed above are really important, of course some of them are not important at all. Everybody has to decide for themselves what is important and what is not...

But LIFE IS AN ART THATS THE KEY.

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have you seen any Vincent van Gogh paintings? Well to tell the truth it changed my life. Even though not that much i beleive it did, it does and it will forever change my life. I believe that is what art must really be.
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thanks :D

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have you seen any Vincent van Gogh paintings?


yes....... visit this http://www.vangoghreproductions.com/biography.html

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hey tanx for the website you gave me! Tanx 10X100000000000..... Malaki ang utang na loob ko sa yo!!!!
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its ok you can find them all in the web just search them :D

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mgandang usapan tungkol sa art to!!!
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Before focusing on ones' spiritual life, one must always check his spelling, especially in a topic... "imprtant"= "important"

First of all, apreciating art, in its complex form, one must study it first. Understanding a painting's sublte flavours is not for everyone...and that example goes out in all the art forms..
Cheap rethoric , i belive, should not be encourged, out of respect for people who really put time in studying art, rethoric, philosophy.

Your ideas are very interesting, but this is not a subject that can be disscused as the weather. Making statements like "Van Gogh changed my life" imply a fine knowledge of his work and a , somewhat, spiritual bond. I express my oppinion that conversations like this do not belong on a forum, but in a conference room. Spend some time reading Leibniz who has some interesting conversations regarding art, or u might wanna read Irving Stone, "The Joy of Life" , book that describes the life of Van Gogh from his "bad reproductions seller" days to his very end. Irving Stone also wrote a good book on Michelango Buonarroti, the famous sculptor and painter.

Read before expressing ur oppinions in such topics, or risk beeing the target of ridicule...
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YounGun stated:
Before focusing on ones' spiritual life, one must always check his spelling, especially in a topic... "imprtant"= "important"


Maybe you should have consulted a dictionary before posting as well!
Just a few of your spelling errors:

apreciating = appreciating
sublte = subtle
rethoric = rhetoric
belive = believe
encourged = encouraged
disscused = discussed
oppinion = opinion
beeing = being

An old saying, "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." ( don't criticize other people when you yourself have the same faults and weaknesses ... )

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hey, sorry about the spelling of my improtant, i must've been so excited to write it that i forgot to check the spellings.

anyways, i believe we don't have to discuss spelling here.
Every person has his/her own encounter with art. just as every person has his/her own enconter with his/her own life. and i must not be dissuaded by other people on telling them what life means to me or what art has to be defined. In fact it has been hundreds of years since human always wanted to define it in its own concrete way (define art in general). but they never really know what art really means in general. What i am trying to formulate it in this forum is why it is important(or is it really important). Is art just for the pleasure of senses, for luxury. Can we live without it. For over hundreds of years, man had always make and will always make art (any kind of it!). But is it just for a waste of time or has art really made something with the whole century? (what i'm trying to say is, can we live the years, decade, century...etc without it?)
Okey so I have to rely to what lebeneiz has to say about this.
I wanna hear some other people who has their opinion on this topic.
I hope my intentions are clear now.
But anyways thanks YounGun for your honest opinion.
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I was referring to the topic Eenie... I don't think u have seen me making mistakes in topics. :lol:

In fact it has been hundreds of years since human always wanted to define it in its own concrete way (define art in general).


There are quite a few definitions out there, given by smart peeps, some artists, some art critics, you just have to find them and read them (contact ur local bookstore :D )

What i am trying to formulate it in this forum is why it is important(or is it really important)


Well, first of all art is a form of expressing feelings. Art , or the "Proces of Art" is continous and neverending. Art doesn't have *end* because, the human beeing is unique by definition, thus, the things created by each human are unique. Keep in mind also that when talking about art, we talk not only about paintings or sculpture, we talk about living, speaking, sex..and just everything that involves "creation".

But Eenie u haven't told us your ideas.. i only understood u took an "A" in "Spelling".. :D
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Keep in mind also that when talking about art, we talk not only about paintings or sculpture, we talk about living, speaking, sex..and just everything that involves "creation".

i agree with Youngun in that statement :classic:

Objects or ideas created by humans which tell/show what we are thinking or feeling. Art may or may not be beautiful. Art may or may not look like something we know (recognize).

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Now i see opinions. And that is great. Nothing is more wonderful and more beautiful than the truth! 'Truth is beauty, beauty is truth...'
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yaps great...... :classic: