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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:08 am 

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Dooku wrote:
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I think that this topic must be locked because nobody is interested. They are busy keeping positions in staff list (quoted from other topic) than making undernet a safer place.

Have fun :)

why should it be closed ? we have the right to talk and we use it...

this is just like a political campaign...they always promise lots of things and barely do 10% of what they say they'll do...

let te topic open, so that others can express their opinions :)

Don't make a statement without some solid proofs, when did an official network staff said/promised anyone that they will stop drones from joining ?! :o


Sorry to use you as an example... but exactly as you said... when did an official network staff said/promised anyone that they will stop (or at least try) drones from joining?

Scroll up to my posts. If they have an EASY way of matching drones, at least the common spambots, why are they not removing them from the network to protect their users?

Answer that question. Why aren't they?

The girly spambots... is just one example... the most common...

Why do users have to load scripts to protect their channels? If I can detect them on join, why can't they detect them on connect? Then no one would have to load a anti-girly script to protect their channel! Don't forget this is just ONE example!


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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:39 pm 
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Dooku wrote:
Alexik wrote:
`Dan wrote:
I think that this topic must be locked because nobody is interested. They are busy keeping positions in staff list (quoted from other topic) than making undernet a safer place.

Have fun :)

why should it be closed ? we have the right to talk and we use it...

this is just like a political campaign...they always promise lots of things and barely do 10% of what they say they'll do...

let te topic open, so that others can express their opinions :)

Don't make a statement without some solid proofs, when did an official network staff said/promised anyone that they will stop drones from joining ?! :o

funny thing...did i say that ? no, i compared them with the politicians, during their campaigns (and you Dooku must know well, since you live in .ro)
anyway, talking about this...numerous times i have given them logs of floods and so on, and no one got g-lined (point actually being what they write in their .motd's ... that ddosing is strictly forbidden, that abussive bots are forbidden and so on bla bla bla)...
so please, stop being such a suck-up.

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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:24 pm 

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Hmm, just to think of things, girly bots for example which are allowed on the network, and not g-lined on connect, make use of huge bandwidth. Think of how they function:
1. They do a /list to get the available channels. ( lists are quite large)
2. They do a /join randomly to the channels.
3. On channels with protection, the users do a /mode +b and kick for the girly bots. ( again some traffic )
4. On channels without protection, they spread via /privmsg ( again traffic ) and also increasing theyre size.

Now considering this, for server admins it would really be great to loose this unnecesary traffic, cause they have enough from other activities...

Just one logical point for both sides, to get rid of these drones ...

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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:36 am 
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Millions of drones are being g-lined every day, the problem is much bigger than you realise, and a lot harder to deal with than you realise, most drones evade the g-lines (so what's the point), and abuse-exploits@ is working hard every day to deal with it. Just because you do not get response, do not assume they didn't get it, or deal with it.

It's also true that opers are here for the network, not the users, the only thing that comes close to a guideline for undernet's opers even states that the opers are here for the network not the users. so we are all kinda outta luck here.



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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:05 pm 

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All my posts have been edited to nothing, seen as the Undernet forums is totally a waste of space, with inbred's like simba running it.

Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:32 pm 
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And yet if they did even half the g-lines you are wanting/expecting them to do, most of you wouldn't be here. those patterns can only go so far, be too literal and we might not get enough, bee too lose and we might get more innocents than drones. Patterns are not perfect, the biggest issue with IRC, is everything is evadible. :(

As for your comment about the users, Remember this, Undernet views it's users as guests of the network, therefore the user's are not everything, they do not come first, no users on the network would just make it a private network, pretty much how all irc networks start.

The solution to the drones is not as easy as you seem to think. Its a war, and an unending one at that, the only real way for Undernet to win, it to do things none of us want.



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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:03 am 

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xplora wrote:
And yet if they did even half the g-lines you are wanting/expecting them to do, most of you wouldn't be here. those patterns can only go so far, be too literal and we might not get enough, bee too lose and we might get more innocents than drones. Patterns are not perfect, the biggest issue with IRC, is everything is evadible. :(

As for your comment about the users, Remember this, Undernet views it's users as guests of the network, therefore the user's are not everything, they do not come first, no users on the network would just make it a private network, pretty much how all irc networks start.

The solution to the drones is not as easy as you seem to think. Its a war, and an unending one at that, the only real way for Undernet to win, it to do things none of us want.


LOL you really shouldn't have posted that without having at least a basic knowledge of regex and exactly how accurate it can be.

Most spambots can be matched with one extremely accurate regex matching no human users.
G-lining them on connect will reduce the load on the network and make us ALL HAPPY!
Any spambots you can't match on connect, I'm sure an "abuse operator" would be happy to use your newly created network search tools (that i suggest you make) to sift thru the results very easily and issue waves of glines once a day when each one has time.

And when it comes to floodbots, there are ways you can use "loose" regex patterns, but keep count of total matches within XX seconds, or XX matches in a row... so if the odds are 1 in 100 (a VERY loose regex), the odds of 2 in a row are 1 in 10,000, and 3 in a row is 1 in a million.

Evadable? If you set a regex gline on the spambots, they aren't coming back.
How many years have them girlies been the same? Do you honestly think they're going to change tomorrow?
If by rare chance they do actually change a year from now, whoop dee doo! Add another pattern.

You people speaking on behalf of the network show little or no knowledge on the subject.
You keep finding generic answers and lame excuses why you're not doing things.

"Well... there's this tiny chance that in a year they might change their pattern, so let's do NOTHING about it instead"

Blah blah blah blah, lame.


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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:39 am 

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Regex to Match Girly Drones :

/^(Aldora|Alysia|Amorita|Anita|April|Ara|Aretina|Barbra|Becky|Bella|Bettina|Blenda|Briana|Bridget|Camille|Cara|
Carla|Carmen|Chelsea|Chloe|Clarissa|Damita|Danielle|Daria|Diana|Donna|Dora|Doris|Ebony|Eden|Eliza|Emily|Erin|
Erika|Eve|Evelyn|Faith|Gale|Gilda|Gloria|Haley|Helga|Holly|Ida|Idona|Iris|Isabel|Ivana|Ivory|Janet|Jewel|Joanna|
Julie|Juliet|Kacey|Kali|Kara|Kassia|Katie|Katrina|Kyle|Lara|Laura|Linda|Lisa|Lola|Lolita|Lynn|Maia|Maria|Mary|
Meggie|Melody|Milenia|Mimi|Myra|Nadia|Naomi|Natalie|Nicole|Nina|Nora|Nova|Olga|Olivia|Pamela|Peggy|Queen|
Rae|Rachel|Raquel|Rita|Rosa|Ruby|Sharon|Silver|Tara|Ula|Uma|Valda|Valora|Vanessa|Vicky|Violet|Vivian|Wendy|
Willa|Xandra|Xenia|Xylia|Zenia|Zilya|Zoe)([12]\d)!~?[A-Za-z]+@[^#]+#(?:\1\2|(?1).{5})$/


Regex to Match Uppercase Drones (GJHNOVHH!~MRODLUEO@c207.134.169-39.clta.globetrotter.net#AMNEWIUZ) :

/^([A-Z]{8})!~?(?!\1)((?1))@[^#]+#(?!\1|\2)(?1)$/

Two major drones that affect all Undernet Channels.

Give me ONE good reason why you shouldn't regex gline those two examples right now.
And don't tell me the regex's are inaccurate cuz that'd be BS.


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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:22 pm 
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easy answer, how many real people will also be g-lined by those.



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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:44 pm 

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easy reply: How many ppl get infected because of those drones? How hard is to change nick? Maybe include the nick change thing in the g-line?

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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:22 pm 
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if its that easy for the user to change nicknames, it is also that easy for the drones, circular argument here, as I tried to say to begin with, if we do even half the g-lines you want us to do, most of you won't be able to connect.


Besides, wouldn't it be better to actually identify the hacked machine the drones is running on, and attempt to get it cleaned, this is being done, but its a big, long, and hard task. Those other networks that actively g-line the drones, obviously aren't actually helping to problem, they are just passing the buck, the drones eventually evade their g-lines anyway, and the problem doesn't go away.



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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:53 pm 

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Both of those G-Lines are 99.999% accurate or better.

They don't just match the nick... they match a nick, ident, AND fullname pattern.

You'll gline NO human users using those patterns... as I said... you need to have at least a basic understanding of regular expressions to even be replying on this topic, xplora... You've made several posts that show little or no knowledge on the subject.

Thousands of connects, Thousands of /lists, Tens of Thousands of Spams, PER DAY!

If you gline the damn things on connect, you'll gain a TON of benefits!

1) A cleaner network with less viral spam
2) Less load/strain on your servers (Do you really think a /gline takes more bandwidth than a /list?)
3) Eventual extinction of the drones as they are unable to spread and multiply
4) 50,000+ happy channels that no longer need to load scripts to do YOUR JOB.

Get someone with some more knowledge to answer this thread, xplora... You're making yourself look like a n00b.


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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:55 pm 

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Well the things is, for the virus writers it's a lot more work to change the patterns, then redistribute the new code, then for opers to do the pattern glines. Also by g-lineing those nicks, the user with other nickname for example can come back and go get help on one of the VH channels.

"Besides, wouldn't it be better to actually identify the hacked machine the drones is running on, and attempt to get it cleaned, this is being done, but its a big, long, and hard task." -> I agree with this, and totally true. But now days there is the other problem that there are very few staff's still active in these projects unfortunattly. Also besides cleaning the users, for example the user-com class project should do more ( or some ) classes about the different types of worms, malwares and also about how to protect themself against those and if infected where could they get the best help. But also with some hard g-lines, like the pattern g-lines, users would be more aware of the underlieing current critical problems, and will do more to get safe. Until the users don't realize the danger which awaits them on these online mediums, all the VH channels and other types of help are useless, because the remaining drones infect more and more victims. Also most of the drones carry a payload for creating botnets, which is another big problem for the network.

I think these pattern g-lines should really be considered, cause they would help in lot's of problems, both on user side and both on server side.

P.S.: Remember, for the virus writer it takes much more time to modify the code and also redistribute the new code. This would really be like a mouse and a cat game, but that would buy sufficient time for users to be more aware of these things, and making these kind of social methods to become obsolote.

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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:06 am 
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an eggdrop could evade those g-lines



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 Post subject: Re: Undernet Drones
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:32 am 

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xplora wrote:
an eggdrop could evade those g-lines


That made no sense whatsoever.

I keep stating fact after fact after fact.
You keep stating nonsense after nonsense after nonsense!

Get someone with some real knowledge to reply to this thread!


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