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 Post subject: About Usernames
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:42 am 
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There are only #cservice ,#help or re-op channels in all servers recommended help chan list /MOTD. But the most important channel #UsernameS must be advertised. Because a starter user doesn't know how to get an username and where can be helped about that username.

And i see everyday people coming to #Cservice and asking for "get an username for their friends". But most of them doesn't know that is not allowed by Cservice.

Most of us are passing over easily these users when they are asking a question second time or we are thinking that he is a abuser.Because they don't know that is forbidden.

Maybe there is not enough informations on the Cservice web site about registering an username or not enough information about channel #UsernameS on /MOTD.

Somebody comes and wants help about registering a one more username for a friend or one more channel.They think this is kindness for their friend but while he is trying to get an username for his friend his own username is being suspended and officials thinks he is a abuser.

I think CService must translate the web site to all languages immediately. Any body isn't working to understand a foreign language and anybody isn't reading important words on the Cservice website

because they don't understand this language.

And our answers: Your channel rejected Reason:? using multiple username or your channel and username suspended for abuse (stay out from reg aup) what abuse? Im not bad so.. hehe :}

[16:47] <RevivaL> Kaçtane username var sende?
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> kanal a kayýtlý olarak mý
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> yani 500 mu ?
[16:47] <RevivaL> Toplam kactane usernamen var
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> hatýrlamýyorum simdi
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> 7 tane felan .
[16:47] <RevivaL> Peký kactane kanal var?
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> 3 tane
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> kaldý k
[16:48] <RevivaL> Kanallarýn ýsmý ney?
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> #reklam #evliler #Genç
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> dai cseviceye mail felan yolluyoduk ama hatýrlamýyorum
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> genc de dusmmek uzere ..

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[16:47] <RevivaL> how many username do you using?
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> only user? or added with 500?
[16:47] <RevivaL> how many username do you using?
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> I dont remember now
[16:47] <Afrodizyak> 7 piece,such and such
[16:47] <RevivaL> and how many channel?
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> 3 piece
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> remain
[16:48] <RevivaL> what is the names?
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> #reklam #evliler #Genç
[16:48] <Afrodizyak> channel #genç will be purged i dont remember 500`s password how can i send e-mail


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:45 am 
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Sooner or later, they'll find out it's forbidden to have more than a username. It all goes to the AUP they accepted (there's a topic in here about it too).

They're registering usernames for fun, to abuse, to evade bans, to submit bogus applications and so on, and if they won't get the one username point, it's useless for us to translate the website or the AUP, because they won't just stop registering.

Now, the CService Admins come in handy, by suspending all of their usernames, most of them, channels and so on. They'll come, complain, we deny help, channels get purged, usernames expire, and after that, most of them will use a single username, based on the 'learn from your mistakes' rule.

I am one of the few people that updated the CService documents on http://cservice.undernet.org/docs . Perhaps an article regarding username registration will be effective.
And yes, #usernames should be in /motd's.



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:35 pm 
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Some people have an enquiry about registering a username for their friend, howcome those people already have a username but dont know registering? is it not strange? and this is leading those people to steal their usernames later on or the channels they register the username with. They even know the secret question and the password of the e-mail and they are all ending up in the Cservice for help.

and my point is that informing those people about easy tricks and spreading out the information for new users

People are not aware of the importance of their privacy until they start facing problems. They just simply give out their usernames and passwords without any worries.

There needs to be more information on Cservice website related to registering username and on server`s help channel list /MOTD

I believe that my recommendations will be helpful for others and decrease the problems of people.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:44 am 
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Actually all that information is there, no matter how much we try, we can't actually make someone read and remember it.

Besides most of the examples did know it, when they applied, more often than not they just forget, and not think about protecting their own privacy.

If anyone can find a way that people read, understand AND remember, great, we're listening. Until then, the best we can do is make sure the information is available, and that we have exceeded on.



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 Post subject: multiple usernames
PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:50 am 
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Revival said:
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And I see everyday people coming to #Cservice and asking for "get an username for their friends". But most of them doesn't know that is not allowed by Cservice.


I really hate bringing this up, but I can remember when the option to register a username was relatively new, and I remember hanging out in #CService to see how they were answering people who for some reason could not register one for themselves. Some #CService ops were asking the users, "Do you have a friend who can register one for you?" I can even tell you which ops were saying that!

I realize I am derailing, but I understand why people come to #CService and ask that question. They were once told how to register usernames that way. History works in odd ways.

/off derail

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Because a starter user doesn't know how to get an username and where can be helped about that username.


The channels you stated that are in the MOTD of many servers will direct a user to the URL to register a username, among many other help channels on Undernet.

The problem I have, since I have a registered username, is checking on where in the AUP of Undernet (when registering a username) does it say, "One username is permitted per user." I finally found that stated at step 7!!

There, one finally sees, " Individuals are granted the use of a Channel Service username specifically to gain access to channel services. While you need not use channel services to have a username, be aware that attempts to register multiple usernames to the same person will result in a suspension of all the offending names. Don't jeopardize your access to channel services by trying to register multiple usernames on our system.
Applying for a username while connected from a compromised computer is not allowed."

How about putting that information at the beginning of the process?

One more point, Revival said:

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People are not aware of the importance of their privacy until they start facing problems. They just simply give out their usernames and passwords without any worries.


As xplora pointed to, we cannot make people read. Every time someone logs in to X .. he is told never to give his password to anyone.

Read, people read. The words are there for a reason.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:25 am 
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I agree with /motd case,#usernames should be there tho` but i dont think people usualy register multiple usernames because of they dont know its forbidden..for ex:Why does a human try to have 2 identity(in real life)?its 100% because of having some illegal activities..its like that in undernet tho`,users are registering multiple usernames to get action in some illegal activities..If a username is suspended because of multiples,it doesnt mean they are suspended just beause of signed from same i.p,there are many other way to chatch them;)usernames are being checked perfectly while they are suspended and they are geting unsuspend if username owners get the contact via emails and they state their situations.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:30 pm 
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In my opinion on cservice web page -> there is not enough information about registering usernames or privacy and I think its needed translate for all languages (eg: many romanians don't speak/understand english).
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Well then it's their fault, everyone in romania starts learning english in 2nd or 3rd grade



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Less than 5% of the users who register care about the privacy. For those who do, the message regarding e-mail protection should be enough.

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Your email address will never be used to send you unsolicited email. It will be used to send you information on how to obtain your password.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:13 pm 
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Wolfyx wrote:
Well then it's their fault, everyone in romania starts learning english in 2nd or 3rd grade

Ur right Wolfyx, but seems most of them, don't care :devil:


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Wolfyx wrote:
Well then it's their fault, everyone in romania starts learning english in 2nd or 3rd grade


yeah that's true, but.. you should think that most of the romanians are slackers and they're missing such classes as i do. thats how explains why romanians doesn't know english at all, even if they had/has english lessons/classes at their school.



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if a Romanian or a Turks doesn't know english won't they use an username ? Of course they will.but they don't know anything about registering an username or a channel.I mean you must do something for they to learn registering with rules.There are many people on UnderNet who doesn't know English and all of they have an username.but they don't know the rules...

Read people Read! i hope you understand me.if they can read they will understand already..

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:40 am 
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SpYdeRX wrote:
Wolfyx wrote:
Well then it's their fault, everyone in romania starts learning english in 2nd or 3rd grade


yeah that's true, but.. you should think that most of the romanians are slackers and they're missing such classes as i do. thats how explains why romanians doesn't know english at all, even if they had/has english lessons/classes at their school.


again, i don't see how that's our fault. Serves them right if they skip english class :P



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There are loads of tirkcs spreading out the server and I am just trying to inform new users about them and they will be aware of those bad people and their tricks. They will also be able to keep their usernames and channels before it gets suspended or being named as an Abuser.

My recommendation would be including various kinds of languages in the Cservice website and that will lead them to be wiser, its just pointless to punish them when they are not being advised properly.

Some people have enquiries about registering a second username or a channel. Don't you think its also your fault when they asked it? Have they been told that its not allowed? Thats why we absolutely need to include other languages to prevent from those happening.

if we were doing our job properly, we would not see such issues happening anymore over the channel. The less people are coming for help, then the better we are doing our job properly. I would like to have your opinion and what you have got in your mind to say. I more likely prefer serious words rather than causing an argument over the channel.

Dear friends! We need to understand the difference between being helpful and doing our best, it will carry on bleeding until we get it recovered. Lets come to the question again. Are those people Abusers, Lamers, Stupids or not being advised well?

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I think users are properly informed about not giving out their passwords to someone else. They get a message when they log in on IRC and website:
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Remember: Nobody from CService will ever ask you for your password, do NOT give out your password to anyone claiming to be CService.

This should be enough, if they don't respect it, it's their fault. Regarding channel registration, users are also warned via AUP:
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The Channel Service Committee will only register 1 channel per USER (this means user, not account or e-mail address). Consequently, you can only register one channel on Undernet. Translated into language more appropriate to new services terminology, this means one channel per person, NOT username.

The AUP says one channel per person, so people should realize it goes the same with usernames.
Finally, users are also advised about channel activities:
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Channel Services (X) will not be provided for any channel involved in child pornography, the trading of warez or any copywritten material including mp3's and dvd's or the illegal trading of credit cards, passwords etc. We will no longer register any bot lending, shell or bnc (vhosts) channels. If we find these activities are predominant in your channel after registration, we will permanently remove X from the channel.

It's all in the AUP, too bad users don't bother to read it. Translation should be provided, but this is discussed here.



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